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		<title>Comment on The Exclusive Economic Zone: for sale by Nonavee Dale</title>
		<link>http://blog.forestandbird.org.nz/the-exclusive-economic-zone-for-sale/comment-page-1/#comment-88244</link>
		<dc:creator>Nonavee Dale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jan 2012 11:53:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for writing this article.  I wish NZers would keep their minds on these issues which are the most important ones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for writing this article.  I wish NZers would keep their minds on these issues which are the most important ones.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Amphibian Ark by Waldman</title>
		<link>http://blog.forestandbird.org.nz/on-the-brink/comment-page-1/#comment-87414</link>
		<dc:creator>Waldman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jan 2012 14:11:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Although Archey’s frogs have been kept in captivity since the late 1990s with limited breeding success, no-one has managed to successfully raise froglets."

This statement is untrue. Frogs were bred successfully at the University of Canterbury facility. DoC shut down the programme just as froglets were being produced. These were transported to Auckland Zoo where they died.

And the frogs are very good and figuring out males and females themselves - they really don't need our help to find a mate!

And certainly it is possible that 1080 is taking a toll on this species. Nobody knows, but it has been suggested that frogs are suffering from immunosuppression in the wild that could play a role in causing them to become susceptible to disease.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Although Archey’s frogs have been kept in captivity since the late 1990s with limited breeding success, no-one has managed to successfully raise froglets.&#8221;</p>
<p>This statement is untrue. Frogs were bred successfully at the University of Canterbury facility. DoC shut down the programme just as froglets were being produced. These were transported to Auckland Zoo where they died.</p>
<p>And the frogs are very good and figuring out males and females themselves - they really don&#8217;t need our help to find a mate!</p>
<p>And certainly it is possible that 1080 is taking a toll on this species. Nobody knows, but it has been suggested that frogs are suffering from immunosuppression in the wild that could play a role in causing them to become susceptible to disease.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A day in the life of a pest-buster by Ray Foxley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray Foxley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2012 00:38:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Richie 
Like your post
I too would not give money to Twig and tweet for Poisoning our Eco-systems with their toxins. 
I am totaly against the use of 1080 as a form of pest control Aerial drops should cease.. Not only is it a pesticide it is an insecticide  takeout insects  they are the backbone of the eco-system take out them you take out all those that rely on them for food and pollination. EX Government  Scientists entomologists Peter Notman and Mike Meads both warned about the consequences of the widespread use of 1080 it seems to have fallen on deaf ears. Corporate science seems to be the only science that rules in NZ paid for by the sponsors of the products used.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Richie<br />
Like your post<br />
I too would not give money to Twig and tweet for Poisoning our Eco-systems with their toxins.<br />
I am totaly against the use of 1080 as a form of pest control Aerial drops should cease.. Not only is it a pesticide it is an insecticide  takeout insects  they are the backbone of the eco-system take out them you take out all those that rely on them for food and pollination. EX Government  Scientists entomologists Peter Notman and Mike Meads both warned about the consequences of the widespread use of 1080 it seems to have fallen on deaf ears. Corporate science seems to be the only science that rules in NZ paid for by the sponsors of the products used.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The foreigner and the natives by chay cotter</title>
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		<dc:creator>chay cotter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jan 2012 20:11:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Auckland zoo is not the first to hold whio: the whio lives in captivity in Palmerston North &#38; a few other places
http://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-daily-news/news/3498269/Whio-make-new-homes-on-mountain</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Auckland zoo is not the first to hold whio: the whio lives in captivity in Palmerston North &amp; a few other places<br />
<a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-daily-news/news/3498269/Whio-make-new-homes-on-mountain" rel="nofollow">http://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-daily-news/news/3498269/Whio-make-new-homes-on-mountain</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on The post-election outlook on our conservation lands by glenn</title>
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		<dc:creator>glenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2012 00:22:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an American and a conservative and a big bird and tree lover. I support Anne's views strongly.It's good seeing National Party members in Forest &#38; Bird. If I werte in New Zealand I'd support them too. In the U.S.  most "green" groups are too far to the left and tied at the waist to the Democrats to get my support. I do donate to World Parrot Trust, Maui Forest Birds and the Hummingbird Society. But never to Sierra Club or their like. The big green problem as I see it is that they only appeal to urban districts.  Personally Forest &#38; Bird should make greater effortsat appealing to rural and National groups. It may mean adjusting some policies bit of the science behind the policy is good and rural relations are good than much will get accomplished.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an American and a conservative and a big bird and tree lover. I support Anne&#8217;s views strongly.It&#8217;s good seeing National Party members in Forest &amp; Bird. If I werte in New Zealand I&#8217;d support them too. In the U.S.  most &#8220;green&#8221; groups are too far to the left and tied at the waist to the Democrats to get my support. I do donate to World Parrot Trust, Maui Forest Birds and the Hummingbird Society. But never to Sierra Club or their like. The big green problem as I see it is that they only appeal to urban districts.  Personally Forest &amp; Bird should make greater effortsat appealing to rural and National groups. It may mean adjusting some policies bit of the science behind the policy is good and rural relations are good than much will get accomplished.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Rugby fever by Johanna Knox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johanna Knox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jan 2012 20:43:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes - just want to add my thanks as well. I have really found it fascinating!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes - just want to add my thanks as well. I have really found it fascinating!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Know your neighbours by BanaBanana</title>
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		<dc:creator>BanaBanana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Dec 2011 22:34:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, what a great initiative. Welldone guys. So amazing what you have found (5 species new to science) and yet extremely alarming as to how much we still do not know. Keep up the great work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, what a great initiative. Welldone guys. So amazing what you have found (5 species new to science) and yet extremely alarming as to how much we still do not know. Keep up the great work.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The post-election outlook on our conservation lands by Anne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Dec 2011 22:09:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do we do what is "staunch" even if it sometimes means getting a lesser outcome for our environment?  There'd be an equally large range of opinion within our F&#38;B membership on that one, also.  It  was even debated when I was on the executive and we were discussing how to approach the Happy Valley issue back then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do we do what is &#8220;staunch&#8221; even if it sometimes means getting a lesser outcome for our environment?  There&#8217;d be an equally large range of opinion within our F&amp;B membership on that one, also.  It  was even debated when I was on the executive and we were discussing how to approach the Happy Valley issue back then.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The post-election outlook on our conservation lands by Anne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Dec 2011 22:04:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS I should've added that i think it is extremely dangerous and not right either,  to say that 
11.06% (presumably the Green party vote?) "voted for nature".  I know plenty, PLENTY, of people who didn't vote for the Green Party but who voted for nature (amongst other things).  More than a bit unfair to imply otherwise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS I should&#8217;ve added that i think it is extremely dangerous and not right either,  to say that<br />
11.06% (presumably the Green party vote?) &#8220;voted for nature&#8221;.  I know plenty, PLENTY, of people who didn&#8217;t vote for the Green Party but who voted for nature (amongst other things).  More than a bit unfair to imply otherwise.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The post-election outlook on our conservation lands by Claire</title>
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		<dc:creator>Claire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Dec 2011 21:57:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, Anne (and others).

Yes, there is a range of political opinion amongst Forest &#38; Birders, which is exactly as it should be - conservation for all parties should be a bottom line in New Zealand politics, not politicised. I am sure you are right about some of Forest &#38; Bird's most active and effective members being National party supporters and voters. And yes, we need to remain open-minded, and continue to engage constructively with parties across the political spectrum to achieve whatever conservation wins we can.

However, it is also true that at the present time, the current government is pursuing policies that appear to be ignorant of and are highly damaging to conservation interests - both in general, and in particular cases. 

Most recently, the Conservation Minister Mrs Wilkinson has broken a promise made to the public in July 2010, and in person to our President and General Manager in August. She had said that significant mining applications on public land should be publicly notified, and that this would happen prior to access decision-making for open cast coal mining on the Denniston Plateau. The day after the election, a letter arrived saying that this would now not occur.

National omitted to participate in our Vote for Nature poll before the election despite repeated invitations to do so. If you go to their policy page, you will find that conservation did not appear at all on their "wall" of "building blocks" of policies to promote a brighter New Zealand future. This is reflected in the low priority that has been given to funding DOC and pest control. I could point you to many other instances where the superficial appearance of a win for conservation is far outweighed by the effect of other current government policies.

Where any political party's policy - not the politics, per se - is bad, then Forest &#38; Bird needs to staunchly stand up and say so. There will be areas where we can continue to work with the National party and its allies in the next three years. However, the fact remains that recent attempts to do so have been rebuffed, and the overall effect of current government policy (despite some individual good policies) is a significant risk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Anne (and others).</p>
<p>Yes, there is a range of political opinion amongst Forest &amp; Birders, which is exactly as it should be - conservation for all parties should be a bottom line in New Zealand politics, not politicised. I am sure you are right about some of Forest &amp; Bird&#8217;s most active and effective members being National party supporters and voters. And yes, we need to remain open-minded, and continue to engage constructively with parties across the political spectrum to achieve whatever conservation wins we can.</p>
<p>However, it is also true that at the present time, the current government is pursuing policies that appear to be ignorant of and are highly damaging to conservation interests - both in general, and in particular cases. </p>
<p>Most recently, the Conservation Minister Mrs Wilkinson has broken a promise made to the public in July 2010, and in person to our President and General Manager in August. She had said that significant mining applications on public land should be publicly notified, and that this would happen prior to access decision-making for open cast coal mining on the Denniston Plateau. The day after the election, a letter arrived saying that this would now not occur.</p>
<p>National omitted to participate in our Vote for Nature poll before the election despite repeated invitations to do so. If you go to their policy page, you will find that conservation did not appear at all on their &#8220;wall&#8221; of &#8220;building blocks&#8221; of policies to promote a brighter New Zealand future. This is reflected in the low priority that has been given to funding DOC and pest control. I could point you to many other instances where the superficial appearance of a win for conservation is far outweighed by the effect of other current government policies.</p>
<p>Where any political party&#8217;s policy - not the politics, per se - is bad, then Forest &amp; Bird needs to staunchly stand up and say so. There will be areas where we can continue to work with the National party and its allies in the next three years. However, the fact remains that recent attempts to do so have been rebuffed, and the overall effect of current government policy (despite some individual good policies) is a significant risk.</p>
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